In this episode of The Love Cast, Jamal shares an inspiring and enlightening interview with three people that was conducted in Spain just after completing the El- Camino de Santiago pilgrimage.  Give this eye opening conversation a careful listen and enjoy!    

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What is the difference between transaction and flow?  Why does having a transactional view of life often lead to poor relationships and poverty?  Although it can look like transaction on the surface, the concept of flow is much different.  Whether it's grace, love, or even money, the world functions best in flow, not transaction.  In this episode of The Love Cast, Jamal clarifies the ending exercise from the previous week's Love Cast interview, and also talks about the difference between transaction and flow.  

In this episode of The Love Cast, Jamal interviews life coach Lucas Brave about his journey beyond the mind and into experiencing a theology that accesses an entirely different physiology of the body.  A theology of the mind is powerless to bring lasting change to alleviate common states of suffering such as anxiety, and depression. 

In this episode, Lucas shares a bit about his own personal journey, and also some tangible stories and techniques regarding how a physiological / theological shift beyond the thinking mind and into the heart has been powerful enough to instantly disarm an attacker with a knife as a well as lead to a breakthrough in business.  This is a very significant interview.  Give this episode a listen, and do not skip or skim any part of this conversation.